Nagel family

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Nagel family

The family occurs in the list of loans held by Van Teijlingen, that transfered to the count in 1283 when the direct male line died out. The fiefs/loans were renewed in 1284.

  • 15 Willem Naghel ende Ysebrant , met ghesamender hant , v marghen lants in die crofte , van des heren halven van Thelinghen .
  • 22 Symon Naghel ibi juxta jugera valentia XXX s . annuatim .
  • 43 Gerart Naghel te Voerhoute die woninghe , daer hi in wonet , ende die croft , daer hi oec in wonet , ende enen camp die leghet benorden sire woninghen . Dit hevet hi ontfaen van des heren weghen van Thelinghe .
  • 50 Jan Naghel vijftehalf morghen lants ; des leghet 1 morghen tusscen Vloedorp ende Anghenvort , ende vierdehalf morghen voer Jans huus uten Houte , ende een stalhuus van drien valken , ende ene halve moelen

These Nagels, holding 4 plots in Voorhout, were very likely related, and possibly the plots were split more than once to divide an inheritance amongst the children. So in theory, there could have been a single ancestral Nagel-plot. Names often encountered amongst the Nagels, seem to be Willem, Gerard, Dirk, Hugo, Simon, and seem to follow the names of the lords the held fiefs from, Van Teijlingen. Could they be a sub-branch, the stamvader possibly a second son or a bastard son of a Lord van Teijlingen?

The First Nagel (Naaldwijk)

In 1198, Dirk VII, count of Holland, gifts land in Poeldijk near Naaldwijk to the church, Oorkonde #177.

Ego igitur Theodericus comitis Florentii et Ade comitisse filius predicti capellani bonam voluntatem et pium affectum considerans, terram quandam meę proprietatis aque que Pul dicitur hinc inde adjacentem juxta Naltwic et 'ex morte cujusdam hominis mei nomine Io. cognomine Nagel, qui eam a me in feodo tenuit, michi vacantem, tam pro mea parentumque meorum viventium salute quam pro defunctorum requie, predicte capelle una cum uxore mea Aleide comitissa in dotem et ab omni servitio exemptam contuli, de cujus proventu sacerdos Deo et sanctis ibidem in propria persona serviens, tam pro me quam pro meis hostiam vivis ac defunctis salutarem offerens, dum vitę presentis percipit fructum eternę, nobis inploret consortium.

The land lies near the water called Poel, near Naaldwijk. The proceedings go to the church, for the sake of souls of the count, his family, the chapelain, and for the 'rest of the deceased', the previous owner from the death of a man of mine named Iohannes known as Nagel, whom held it as a loan from me, has become available to me.

Johannes was man of the count, likely meaning a knight, and had recently died. Possible fighting together with the counts brother in 1197. He might have received it for services previously rendered, or maybe his father did, also in service to the count most likely. It seems no wife or children need the land to live on or from, for it returns to the count, so Johannes likely died rather young, without heirs.

Johannes II? (Middelburg)

Another Johannes dictum Naghel shows up in 1248 (OZH II #22) and 1263 OZH II #100, as a scabinus, schepen, of Middelburg. That is some 100km from Naaldwijk, and even further from Voorhout. He seems to have dealings with the abdis van Rijnsbrug, donating land. The Rijnsburg abbey had lands in or near Voorhout too, and the #100 charter from 1263 mentions C. as abdis. That would be Clarissa van Noordwijk, close to Voorhout. She had succeeded Ada van Holland, daughter of the count, who would have been abdis at the time of #22 in 1248.

Miscelaneous early Nagels

  • 1222 Waltherus Nagillinus, Ulm (BRECH.)
  • 1240 Henricus Nagel, denarios de area et servitium (oork. Doetinchem) [OGZ IVa].
  • 1263 Iohannes dictus Naghel, Middelburg (OHZ III, 338) {same as #Johannes_II?_(Middelburg)}
  • 1279 Walterus Naghel, Hulst (DEBR. 1962)
  • 1283 Gerard Nagel, leenregister van Teylingen, {same as #43 in OHZ II}
  • 1311 Waltero dicto Naghel = 1315 Walteri Naghels', Ktr. (DEBR. 1971)
  • 1328 Willame Naghel, ca 1328 idem, schout van Voorhout

[E. van der Hoeven, 'Van Nagelbrug tot Nagelbrug', in: Leids Jaarboekje 83 (1991), p 169].

Nagel offspring

Hypothetical of course.

Voorhout Nagels

If the 1284 Nagels are family, they must descend from a brother of his. Johannes would have been in his twenties dying around 1198. So, he and his brother would have been born around 1165, both named Nagel, after a father born around 1135. Sons of the brother of Johannes would have been born around 1195, grandsons around 1225, and either still lived, old men, around 1284, renewing their fiefs, or had been followed by the grandsons, being in around 30 years old at the time.

Willem and IJsbrand "met gezamenlijke hand", with their hands together, seems to indicate they are brothers, and together hold an inheritance. The term "met ledige hand", with empty hand was used when a child became of age, and was able to the owner legally, and this term could possibly mean they were young too, and 'succeeding'. If so, they would have been grandsons, born around 1260 or so.

Simon, all it says is that the land is worth 30 shilling per year. Likely that is the 10th he pays to his lord.

Gerart has a house and a croft in Voorhout, that he lives in, and a piece of land next to it, and he received it of the lord vT. Would that imply that Simon isn't living on his land, and neither were W&S? Does it imply that Gerard did not inherit it from his father, and the others did?

Jan Naghel has two plots, one of 1 acre, and 4.5 elsewhere, a stable 'of 3 falcons', and half a mill. So he inherited part of the mill, and nowhere in the list is anyone holding the other half. Or would one buy half a mill? Pay the miller for his work, keeping half the profit? Falcons were used to hunt with, and sport for nobilty I'd say. Would one hold them in a 'stablehouse'? Or was it a measure of its size? Could not find anything on falcon as a unit.

Seems to me that W&S and S are just gathering income from the fiefs, that Gerart is actually living on his part, doing rather well, and it seems that Jan is rather fortunate. Gut feeling tells me that Jan and Gerart are of the old generation, and the fathers of W&S and Simon have moved, partially living of the income generated by their land.

               I. stamvader
         /      	         \
     IIa Johannes                 IIb 
          	              /   	\
		           IIIa 	IIIb
		          / 	\	  \
                  IVa Gerart	 IVb Jan   IVc
           	/	\	    	    |
         Va,b Willem IJsbrand           Vc Simon

There are plenty of variatoins possible, I just think Gerart and Jan are grandsons of the brother of Johannes, and W&S and Simon greatgrandsons that have left the area, living elsewhere. Difference is size and worth of the their parts indicate there were multiple and inequal splits. So Johannes might have had more that one brother, that had an inequal amount of children to divide their share amongst, etc.

The brother of Johannes could have named a son afther his brother, that could have given a IIIrd gen Jan, and that would give a grandson Jan in the Vth. Then again, 2 sons would have gone after both granddads, so maybe only in the IVth gen was there room for a Jan.

The father of Johannes, born around 1135, could have been a Teijlingen bastard son of Gerard van Teijlingen, mentioned in 1143 in #124. If he was, he would have named a son afther his dad, so Johannes would have had a brother Gerard. If his son named a son after him, that would have been above IVa.

Nagel fief

Assuming that originally there was a single plot of 'Nagel-fief'... if that would have belonged to stamvader Nagel, and half of it went to Johannes, then it would not have been in Voorhout. I Johannes got the Naaldwijk part, and the brother the Voorhout part then there would not have been a single family fief, and there is ownership history before this stamvader. So maybe the brother, also a man of the count, also received lands for services rendered to the count. In Voorhout.

If we could identify positioning and size of the plots owned, we might be able to tell what split from what, and thus add more detail to the above tree. The above records do not tell us enough for that. The REPERTORIUM OP DE LENEN VAN DE HOFSTEDE TEILINGEN, 1258-1650 might help.

The #15 Willem and IJsbrand would be ...

78. 5 morgen land in de Croft.

..-.-1284: Willem Nagel en IJsbrand tesamen zoals van Teilingen, LRK 5 fol. 88.

Het leen 78 gesplitst in 78A en 78B.

78A. Een stuk land in Voorhout bij Katharina Niesendr., jaarlijks 40 s. waardig, (1348: zijnde 3 morgen, waarvan een stuk, oost: heer Jan van de Wateringe, west: Jan Keremare, een kamp, oost: Jan Brabant, west: Gerard Kimmenz., een stuk land op de geest, oost: Armgard Folpertsdr., west: Nikolaas Brune, en een stuk, oost: Dirk Immenz., west: Willem Vaak Jan Nagelsz.).

9-10-1333: Willem Hugo Nagelsz. zoals van Teilingen, LRK 2 fol. 82 nr. 557. 12-6-1348: Hugo Jansz. bij overdracht door Willem Nagel IJsbrand Coxz., LRK 5 fol. 60.

78B. 2 morgen in Voorhout, west: Filips Machteldenz., oost: Willem Nagel met 3 morgen, zijnde nr. 78A.

9-3-1348: Lijftocht van Margaretha, dochter van heer Floris van Warmond, gehuwd met Nagel Jansz., LRK 47 fol. 41v.

The #22 Simon would be...

76. Zijn morgens naast nr. 75, die 30 s. jaarlijks waardig zijn, (1329: zijnde 1396: Dirk van Delf; oost: Hugo Nagel; 1396: zuid: Dirk van Delf, noord: de leenheer, uust: Willem Nagel, zuid: Daniel Jansz., west: Koenraad; 1346: zijnde 3 morgen, oost: Simon Nagel; 1371: zijnde 4 morgen, west: de leenheer, oost: Willem van Velsen, en 2½ morgen, west: erven Simon Nagel; 1396: Dirk van Delf; oost: Hugo Nagel; 1396: zuid: Dirk van Delf, noord: de abdis van der Lee).

..-.-1284: Simon Nagel zoals van Teilingen, LRK 5 fol. 88.

..-.-1329: Dirk Nagel van Voorhout zoals zijn ouders hielden van Teilingen, LRK 2 fol. 65v nr. 431

The #43 Gerart would be...

74. De woning, waar de leenman in woont, (1442: hofstede; 1447: en huizing; 1354: in Voorhout), en de Croft, waar hij eveneens in woont, en een kamp ten noorden van zijn woning, (1301: zijnde 12; 1354: 10; 1447: 4; 1452: 8 morgen hij ’s-Gravendam bij de Lee), enerzijds (1354: de leenheer; 1452: zuid: met de wildernis), anderzijds (1354: de abdis), (1447: strekkend binnen de heerweg zuid tot de wildernis), (1447: noord: Jan van de Boekhorst, west: ’s-Gravendam; 1452: en oost: Gerard Albout), (1410: verminderd met 2 morgen, enerzijds: Gerard Albout, anderzijds: de leenman).

..-.-1284: Gerard Nagel te Voorhout zoals van Teilingen, LRK 5 fol. 89.

9-10-1301: Daniel Nagel, LRK 50 fol. 71 nr. 375.

The #50 Jan would be...

79. 4½ morgen land, waarvan 1 tussen Vloedorp en Anghenvord, en 3½ morgen voor het huis van Jan uten Houte en een stalhuis van drie valken en de halve molen.

..-.-1284: Jan Nagel zoals van Teilingen, LRK 5 fol. 89.

Het leen 79 gesplitst in 79A, 79B en 79C.

79A. 1 gaarde met haar uitland, (1390: zijnde 1½ morgen), in Voorhout, west: Willem Voet, oost: Kerstant Hobbe.

79B. 1½ morgen in Voorhout, oost: Jan Remburgsz., west: Dirk Hugenz., (1353: zijnde 1 hont in de Zuidbroek gemeen met Floris van Alkemade, west: Gerard Kathatienz., zuid: Arnout Notke, noord: de geest, 1 hont ten noorden van de geest in Rudolf Wermboutsz. werf, beiderzijds: Rudolf Wermboutsz., noord en zuid: de heerstraat, ½ morgen gemeen met kinderen Meeus Rieland op Hoog Langdorp, west: de kerk, oost: kinderen Nikolaas Penninc, noord: de heerstraat, zuid: kinderen Meeus Rieland).

79C. 1½ (1390: 2) morgen met woning in Voorhout.

So ...

  • W&S: 5 morgen
  • Simon: ?? in 1329, 3 in 1346 and 4 in 1371
  • Gerart: 12 morgen in 1301.
  • Jan: 4.5 morgen, split in 3 equal parts of 1.5, together 4.5, in the list of loans there was another morgen somewhere else.

Do the math... would the parts of W&S and Jan be roughly equal, and their father a brother of Jan? Would their parts, together with Simons, be roughly equal to Gerarts?

How many Willems?

In an attempt to propose a tree, I'll assume all Nagels are a single family and try to tie them all together, often based an almost nothing at all. Adding as many sources as I can find, pin that to people, trying to 'invent' as little people as possible: only what contradicting facts require it, creating another person.

Good start would be the Willems.

IJsbrant

IJsbrand

Jan

Naar Johannes?

Gerard

Ook Gerrit, Gherid

Delft Nagels

From 1326 to 1333 we see an IJsbrand Nagel in Delft, sometimes as schepen (Regest 14). Could he be the same IJsbrand as the one holding land in Voorhout in 1284 (15.) and 1333 (55.)?

From 1358 to 1362 we see a Willem and an IJsbrand working for a convent in Delft, and also as monks for Egmond Abbey. Would they be sons or grandsons of the above IJsbrand, who might have had a brother Willem (1284)?