A Younger Son of the Count of Holland
Later generations of house Van Teijlingen carried heraldry (they used seals with a Coat of Arms, or crest) that was derived of that of the Counts of Holland, but with the addition of a barensteel. That barensteel indicated they were a branch by 'a younger son'. But which one? How did they descend of Van Holland. See John Ooms.
This is further supproted by the following charters: In 1248, King Willem II van Holland indicated that he was a blood relative (consanguinei nostri) to Willem IV van Brederode.
Consuevit regie sinceri tatis benignitas devotorum ac fidelium suorum condignis premiorum retributionibus prevenire ac promotionibus intendere cum effectu significandum duximus universis tam presentibus quam futuris quod accedentes fidelia obsequia et devota dilecti consanguinei nostri nobilis viri Willelmi de Breitenroede que exhibuit et exhibet indefesse ac in antea poterit exhibere hanc ei fecimus gratiam et liberam dedimus ut terram Resvelt ac duas particulas terre eidem adjacentes, que geren vulgariter nuncupantur et concurrunt volumus et censemus ut unum ad in jure illo quod rerecht dicitur
In 1269, Count Floris IV van Holland referred to Symon van Teylingen as his neef (~cousin).
Oorkondenboek van Holland en Zeeland, Volume 2, van den Bergh, De Fremery, 1873
Ic grave Florens van Holland make cond allen den ghenen die dese letteren sullen sien ende horen, dat ic Symoene van Teilinghe, minen neve, hebbe ghegheven achtendehalf hoeve lants met dien ambochte ende metter tiende;
Abbreviations
- vH van Holland
- vT van Teijlingen
- FdZ Floris de Zwarte
- G#124 Gerard van Teijlingen, mentioned in OHZ #124, 1143
- H#143 Hugo van Teijlingen, mentioned in OHZ #143, 1162
- W#149 Willem I van Teijlingen, mentioned in OHZ #149, 1174
- W#202 Willem II van Teijlingen, mentioned in OHZ #202, 1205
- JaL Johannes a Leydis
- BdK Ben de Keijzer, author of publications in Ons Voorgeslacht
Counts of Holland
Counts and their sons, not all of them became count.
- Arnulf van Gent (951-993) x Lutgardis van Luxemburg (960->1005)
Heraldry
Floris III married Ada of Scotland in 1162. Her brother, king William the Lion of Scotland, carried the Rampant Lion (Lyon rampant, Klimmende leeuw), red on yellow. [1] [2] Floris must have adopted his wife's CoA, or maybe his son did. It does seem that the other noble houses followed suit, partly to show they were vasals of Van Holland, and they adopted it to represent their lineage to the other houses.
Other houses
Van Teijlingen
Same as Van Holland, but with a barensteel, indicating descend of a younger branch (not carrying the title).
Hij zou afstammen van de graven van Holland. Gezien het Hollandse wapen met de barensteel is dat zeker aannemelijk. Op een gouden achtergrond staat een rode leeuw (gelijk aan het schild van de graven van Holland) met daarop een barensteel. Dit laatste betekent een jongere tak; bij bastaardij staat er namelijk een schuine balk op.
Van Brederode
Same as Van Teijlingen, stamvader Dirk was (younger? bastard?) brother of Willem II.
Van Heemskerk
Same as Van Holland, but silver (sabel) on blue (azuur).
Van Adrichem
Same as Van Teijlingen.
(Bastaard) vermeld 1291 als broeder van Heer Dirc van Brederode (Hollandse Oorkonde nr 759) en vermeld (genoemd) in 1300 en 1305 als broeder en mombaer door Alverade van Brederode, ridder.
Van Doorthoge
Same as Van Teijlingen, Floris was a younger son of Dirk van Brederode.
Van der Duyn
Same as Van Teijlingen, Willem was a son of Jan van Doorthoge, descendant of Floris. See also de stamreeks on Ons Voorgeslacht.
Van Tol
Same as Van Teijlingen, but with added 9 blocks. Het riddermatige geslacht Van Tol, D. van Tol, De Nederlandsche Leeuw, 1992
The blocks indicated a split from the main branch. But it does seem that it was Floris, son of H#143, that split of from vT as Van Tol. That would mean that the breach, barentsteel, from vH happened before H#143.
Foyken
Same as Van Teijlingen, but with an added schuinstaak, indicating a bastard branch.
Foyken cum socijs, Frans Angevaare
Interessant is dat het zegel van Boudijn aan de akte bewaard is gebleven, en mee is gescand. Een vrij matige kwaliteit daardoor (en een onleesbaar randschrift), maar ik denk toch wel zeker een schuinstaak én een barensteel te herkennen, waarboven mogelijk een leeuwenkopje uitsteekt. Het wapen dat de afstammelingen van Foyken (van Teylingen) gebruikten dus.
Nagel
?
Van Voorne
Same as Van Holland, but colours inversed, gold on red. Batavia Illustrata has the children of Dirk III Hierosolymita (Pelgrim) van Holland become Van Voorne, copying Gouthoeven. More recently Heren van Voorne, J.C. Kort, 1972 "De traditie heeft de afstamming laten lopen over zekere Pelgrim, zoon van graaf Dirk VI van Holland. Het geeft moeilijkheden om deze grafelijke telg een nageslacht toe te delen, wanneer men weet, dat hij reeds als twaalfjarige knaap begraven werd! Ten tweede werd de aandacht getrokken door de omstandigheid, dat het wapen van Voorne overeenkomt met dat van de graven van Sayn, een geslacht uit Westfalen. Ter wille hiervan heeft voornoemde Pelgrim tegen alle verwachting in toch nog een dochter gekregen, die vervolgens met een lid van het geslacht van Sayn kon huwen. Het zal wel duidelijk zijn, dat deze familieverhouding geheel uit de lucht is gegrepen. Het doel was om nog wat meer graven aan de heren van Voorne te verbinden."
Indeed, the counts of Sayn carry the same heraldry as Van Voorne. JaL also had a Van Sayn in the line of ancestors for vT/vBrederode, that would have married a Willem that would have been the grandfather of the grandfather of W#149, father of Dirk Drossaert.
Van Naaldwijk
Same as Van Holland, but red (scharlaken) on white.
Younger son of...
Sigfrid or Sicco
Johannes a Leydis (JaL) wrote the Sicconiden-legend, that Siefgried, the younger brother of Dirk III van Holland (thus explaining the CoA) sprote Van Brederode and Van Teijlingen, oldest son Dirk starting Van Bredereode, younger son Simon Van Teijlingen. About a century ago, it was concluded that Van Brederode wasn't recorded up until Dirk Drossaard, brother of Willem II van Teijlingen, so he must have been the first lord. JaL wrote his work likely trying to appease his master [whom? citation?]. The CoA would have descenden from Troy, and their descent would go al the way back to Adam and Eva. A genuine believe at the time (Generations of Noah).
... Bastard son
What was the story, and the source... Willem van Teijlingen was bastard son of vH?
... daughter the count
Was that about Dirk van Brederode, that he was born from a daughter of Willem I van Teijlingen who was impregnated, out of wedlock, by (a son of) the count vH?
... the count
See under HADEWICH VAN TEIJLINGEN (SPECULATIVE) According to I.D.M. de Vries, W#149 would have had a brother Floris and a sister Hadewich.
... Floris de Zwarte
Very little is known about him. I speculated before, and more, based on the deductions of Ben de Keijzer in 'Stamreeks van der Duyn', p2-3. Based on the location of the land held by vT, and the period that the privileges to develop that land, would have been granted, and leading family first named, he would be the most likely, if not only, candidate for the split of vT from vH. He suggest that Willem I might not have been a son of his predecessor Hugo, but that he married de vT erfdochter, likely a sister of Hugo (1162), daughter of Gerard (1143).
I. Willem van Theylingen (Wilhelmus de Theyling), vermeld 1174, 1 wellicht een zoon van Floris de Zwarte, tr. N.N., (verm.) dr. van Gerard van Theylingen (Gherardus de Theyling), de laatste vermeld 1143. 2
In my speculations I looked at Heilwive to be the mother of a child by FdZ. BdK dismissises that, she would have been 9yo, and he also suggests that a son Willem of FdZ would have been named after a maternal grandfather, leaving not many options:
Eén vraag dient nog beantwoord te worden. Tot welke familie zou de moeder van Willem van Theylingen (1174) behoord hebben als gade van Floris de Zwarte? Hiertoe moqe de volqende suggestie aangereikt worden. De voornaam Willem vinden wij in de Hollandse oorkonden vóór 1150 niet terug, zodat we buiten Holland moeten zoeken. Zou een dochter of kleindochter van Wilhelmus, graaf in Isla-et-Lake, overleden ná 1122, geen geschikte huwelijkspartner zijn geweest voor Floris de Zwarte? Theodericus de Upgoye, vermeld 1108-1131 en zoon van Wilhelmus, was burggraaf van Utrecht. De functie van burggraaf ging over op Herman van Kuik.
Had Floris de Zwarte rechten en moeten we achter de moord toch meer zoeken? In ieder geval blijken de Van Theylingens later banden met Utrecht te hebben.
So Floris de Zwarte, maybe a second son, maybe a first but bastard son, could have been the father of W#143, but he also had a (half)sister, maybe a bastard half sister, Hadewich/Hedwig. Could vT stem from a younger sister of the count?
For both FdZ and Hadewich there is much uncertainty about when they were born, if they had children, and how old they were when they died.
Hadewich Florisdr van Holland
See What Hadewich? below.
SPECULATION!: Maybe she became a nun (she was called a virgin in one document, and that could mean nun and then it should not be taken literally). Maybe she did. Maybe young, unmarried: virgin. Maybe only after she became a widow, and she withdrew in Rijnsburg (or what was it?).
Maybe after she was impregnated by her (half) brother, as some seem to suggest. Maybe they were caught and she was sent of to a nunnery, but when it turned out she was pregnant, she had to leave. Maybe she was then quickly married off, to Hugo van Voorne?. That child would from two vH parents, adopted by the trusted vV, would have been taken care of by 'erecting' vT for him. That still would not explain his name Willem though.
It does seem unlikely that the Hugo and Hadewich that had a son Willem and are mentioned in the books kept by Walter, abbot of Egmond are in fact Hugo vV and Hadewich Florisdr, and of those, no son Willem is known. They might have tucked him away because of his incentuous offspring, but the would be contradictive to him, or more likely his children, carrying a CoA that clearly showed his vV descent.
Other links
Hazetiaan van Teijlingen.
Bouwsteen en Toetssteen, Henri Jean Joseph Vermeulen, 2020, p395-397 under II, Hazetiaan van Teijlingen x Floris II van de Woerd could/would have been the grandmother of Hazetiaan van de Woerd x Kerstand van Raaphorst. On p579/678 (pdf pages) she is presented as a daughter of Willem II van Teijlingen. A Hazetiaan van Raaphorst [?] was in turn named after her, and there was also a Hazetiaan in uten Broek [?]. After whom would W#202 have named his daughter? His mother? His grandmother? If his father was a son of Hadewich Florisdr vH, and thus the vH connection, that would surely deserve a 'naming after'. Isn't that why he had son Florentius (frater domini 1282) too?
Hugo and Hadewich
Bijdragen en Mededeelingen van het Historisch Genootschap, Deel 35 (1914), p32 De oudste goederenlijsten der Abdij van Egmond, Medegedeeld door Mr. S. Muller Fz. XI. (Aanwinsten der abdij onder abt Wouter. 1130-1161.)
Abbas Walterus emit a Wilhelmo filio Hugonis et Hathewe dimidiam fiertellam, iacentem in Velsen in loco qui dicitur Smalegheest, persolventem viginti octo denarios. Abbas Walterus emit ab Hathewa matre Wilhelmi uxore Hugonis pascuam duarum vaccarum, que iacet iuxta pascuam, quam emerat ab Everwacchoro filio Galonis.
That roughly translates
Abbot Walter bought from Willem, son of Hugo and Hathewe, half a viertel [quarter, of a plot of land producing a certain amount of harvest], lying in Velsen, in a place called Smalegheest, paying twenty-eight pence. Abbot Walter bought from Hathewe, mother of William, wife of Hugh, a pasture of [big enought to feed] two cows, which lies next to the pasture which he had bought from Everwachhor [Van Haarlem], son of Galon [Van Haarlem].
This Hugo and Hadewich could fit Hugo (III) van Voorne and Hadewich Florisdr van Holland. But it does not seem other have identified them as such, cause there is no mention of a son Willem.
The Van Voorne line isn't very clear. It seems a Hugo vV is attested 1108, and next a Floris in 1156 and 1174. Obreen wrote an article on Van Voorne in NL28. A young adult Hugo, say *1080, having a son say *1110 could explain those attestations, but it seems others put one of more Hugo's in between. Above mentions are not dated any more precise than 'when Walter was abbot'. By 1130 Hugo would have been 50yo in the above scenarion, and by 1161 81 yo. Very possible for him to be alive and have an adult son. So Willem could have been a brother of Floris then. But again, there isn't really any indication for Van Voorne.
If Hadewich was married off to Hugo van Voorne (the one most refer to as Hugo II), then likely not before that. Not sure what happened to the child then. The records clearly state Willem to be a son of Hugo. Doesn't really matter if Hugo only married the mother or fathered their son himself.
Then Willem 'grandson of Floris' van Voorne, when he came of age, got assigned Wijtvliet, it seems. Any he married the sister of another Hugo, van Teijlingen. Would both their fathers be named after the same grandfather?
What Hadewich?
I was handed this on silver platter, thanks to Kees Nieuwenhuijsen from Rotterdam:
1. Hathewe wife of Hugo
Hathewe/a was a married woman during the time of abbot Walter (1130-1161) and Everwacchar (circa 1130) son of Galo de Hairlem (1105-1119). She is mentioned in:
Liber S. Adalberti, ed. Oppermann 1933, p. 87-88:
Abbas Walterus emit a Wilhelmo filio Hugonis et Hathewe dimidiam fiertellam iacentem etc.
Abbas Walterus emit ab Hathewa matre Wilhelmi uxore Hugonis pascuam duarum vaccarum, etc.
2. Hadewigis daughter of Floris II
Hadewigis, daughter of count Floris II Crassus and countess Petronilla. They married 1108, and died 1121/1144. Hadewigis is mentioned in 3 sources:
Liber S. Adalberti, ed. Oppermann 1933, p. 72-73:
Florencius ... coniugem Petronillam ex qua genuit tres filios, Theodericum, Florencium, Simonem et unam filiam. Deus omnipotens conservet omnium eorum vitam.
Egmond Necrologium, ed. Oppermann 1933, p. 108:
Ex Florencio et Petronilla nati sunt: Theodericus, Florencius, Symon, Hadewigis.
Beke, Chronographia, ed. Bruch 1973, cap. 49a, p. 93:
Florencius duxit in uxorem Petronillam, ex qua genuit Theodricum, Florencium, Simonem ac Hadewigim (Hatewigim) virginem.
Many modern historians say that this Hadewigis died in 1132. This seems to be based on:
A.W.E. Dek, Genealogie der graven van Holland, Europese Bibliotheek, Zaltbommel, 1969. p. 13: Hadewig, daughter of Floris II, was a nun in Rijnsburg, and was buried 1132 in Haarlem.
Source:
- J.M. Sterck-Proot: Haarlem's oudste tijden, 1930, p. 34;
- J.M. Sterck-Proot: De historische schoonheid van Haarlem, 1942 (Heemschut serie 13), p. 20.
I could not find the former source on the Internet. The latter is on Google Books (fragments only).
p. 20:
Reeds in 1132 werd een gravendochter bijgezet in "der kercken van Haerlem". Already in 1132 a count’s daughter was entombed in the church of Haarlem.
Mrs. Sterck-Poot did not provide a source, but elsewhere she mentions the Description of Haarlem by Ludovico Guicciardini from 1612: p. 197: Beschryvinghe van Haerlem.
... Graef Floris de Vette met Petronella zijn huysvrouwe, die de Abdye tot Reynsburch stichte, binnen dese stadt zijn woonplaetse hielt, alwaer haer eenige dochter Hadewijck overleden is, de welcke begraven wert in Baeckenesser kerck, ghesticht ter eeren van onse Lieve Vrouwe, nae dat de inwoonders het Christelijcke gheloove aenghenomen hadden. De borghers deser stadt in't jaer 1132 grooten bystant deden aen Dirck den negenden Grave van Hollandt, teghen zynen broeder Heer Floris die Swarte.
Hadewijck, the only daughter of Floris II Crassus and Petronilla, died in Haarlem and was buried there in the Bakenesser church. No year is given. The next sentence is about a military conflict in the year 1132. Sterck-Poot seems to have assumed, that this year also applied to Hadewijcks death. If the account is chronological, she must have died in or shortly before 1132.
The Dutch translation from 1612 differs quite a bit from the original in Italian, published in 1588:
Here, p. 259-260, the church of Haarlem is mentioned, but no Hadewigis. Apparently, the translators have added some local folklore.
3. Hadewigis, daughter of Dirk VI
Hadewigis, daughter of count Dirk VI and countess Sophie. They married 1135, and died 1157/1176. Hadewigis was a nun at Reinsburg and died 28 August 1167. She is mentioned in 2 sources:
Egmond Necrologium, ed. Oppermann 1933, p. 109:
Filii comitis Theoderici et Sophie: Florencius, Otto, Balduinus, Theodericus, Peregrinus, Sophia, Hadewigis sanctimonialis <in Reynsburch, obiit anno MCLXVII V kalendas Septembris; Gheertrudis>, Petronilla, Robertus [bastard].
Beke, Chronographia, ed. Bruch 1973, cap. 52, p. 101:
Theodricus Hollandie comes duxit in uxorem Sophiam de qua genuit Florencium, Ottonem, Balduinum, Theodricum, Peregrinum, Sophiam, Hadewigim sanctimonialem et Petronellam.
4. Hadewigis, daughter of Floris II or III?
Hadewigis, daughter of a count Floris. She died 13 January of an unknown year and was buried in Haarlem. Hadewigis is mentioned in:
Egmond Necrologium, ed. Oppermann 1933, p. 110:
Hathewidis filia Florencii obiit ydibus Ianuarii, sepulta in Hairlem.
Historians disagree who her father was:
- Cordfunke 1987, p. 58: she was a daughter of count Floris II Crassus.
- Dek 1969, p. 14: Hedwig, daughter of count Floris III.
The entry in the Egmond Necrologium has no year, but it appears among other deaths in the years 1195-1205.
If Floris II was her father, and she died circa 1200, she must have reached an age of about 85 years. That is extreme, but not impossible. Or the entry is displaced, and she died much earlier. If Floris III was her father, she reached an age of about 40 years or less (F III married 1162, and died 1190).
I think father Floris II is the most plausible, because of the burial in Haarlem, and because count Floris III had many children, but a Hadewigis is never mentioned among them. So Hadewigis-4 = Hadewigis-2, and the entry in the Necrologium is displaced by about 70 years.
It is unlikely that Hadewigis-1 is the same person as Hadewigis-2, since the former was active after 1130, and the latter was already dead by that time. Furthermore, the records would have named her as ‘daughter of the count’ rather than ‘the wife of Hugo’. Furthermore, Hadewigis-2 was a virginem, not a married woman.
Hadewigis-3, finally, cannot be confused with the other two, because she lived a few decades later. She was named after her aunt (Hadewigis-2), who probably died a few years before Hadewigis-3 was born.
Hedwig and Hadewich and their brothers
To add to the confusion, the most clear is that much is unclear on Floris II and his descendants.
On the Wikipedia page of Floris II, he married Petronella shortly before 1108 and he has a dauhter Hedwig, nun, that died 1132. That would be the year that her brother FdZ razed and burnt his brother properties near Haarlem. That would be Hadewigis-1. Dirk was 13yo when his father died in 1121, so born 1108, and seamingly first born child, and thus the marriage would have been 9 months before that.
On the Wikipedia page of Hugo III van Voorne, we encounter yet another daughter, born out of wedlock, c1110-1157. So he had a Hedwig, with his wife Petronella, and a daughter Hadewich with another woman, after his oldest son was born and thus he had 2 daughters with almost the same name.
On the Wikipedia page of Dirk VI, Dirk is born in 1114, and his father died 1122, so he was 8 then.
On the Wikipedia page of Petronella, she married Floris around 1113.
On the Wikipedia page of Floris de Zwarte, he is born 1115, shortly after his brother Dirk then. In 1131, he would have been 16, he was the leader in the second uprising against his brother. He was murdered in 1133, barely 18, but his exhumed skeleton seemed to have been of a 29 year old, so he'd have to be born around 1103.
If so, the marriage of his parents must have been around 1100, Dirk born 1101.
Conclusion
If the Hadewich that married Hugo and had a son Willem, cannot be the same person as Hadewich Florisdr than their son Willem was not a descendant of the counts vH. Hadewich Florisdr could still have married a Hugo van Voorne, but that is not really relevant then, cause we needed Willem to connect W#149 to house vH.
Van Teijlingen origins
It seems HvT died, without a son, if we follow BdK, cause the next lord vT married his sister. Then Gerrit #124, father of Hugo #143 (still alive after the deaht of Hugo?), would have gotten dispensation from the count (never found in writing), to pass vT on to his only remaining daughter, an erfdochter. Not unheard of, we saw that in Bokel, in Raaphorst, and likely on more occasions I cannot think of right now.
That would be how vT got his Willem, who was know as vT since then, and mention first as such in #149. If that Willem had been a (grand)son of Hugo vV and Hadewich vH, that could have been the vH connection. After Hugo died, Hadewich might have become a nun in Rijnsburg.
Van Wijtvliet
Could the son Willem of Hugo and Hadewich be Willem van Wijtvliet? In my tree his parentage is unknown, and he has a son Simon. Kleverlaan has Simon as the son of Willem Floris Floris van Teylinc van Voorne. That Willem married a daughter of G#124, and he is called vT, and also vV, but he is not connected to any vV ancestors. He is called Floris twice. Maybe to indicate he that Willem son of Hugo and Hadewich and Floris vV found in 1156 and 1174, are the same person Willem/Floris, and a 2nd Floris cause he would have have a patropartonym Floris afterh his mother's father if she were Florisdr. Would all that be implied in the name? Or would it just have been a mouseclick to accept a Smart Match? Vennink just has him Willem Florisz vV, and only his son Simon van Wijtvliet is also labelled Teylinc, that he could/would have inherited through his mother then. Again no parents, but a father Floris vV is implied, and the one mentioned 1156,1174 could very well have had a son *1130. Besides Simon, Willem also has sons Arnold Loef and Gerard van Havese, just like here, but those seem related to the house Voorne that was near Utrecht and sprung from Taets van Amerongen. That is a different Voorne entirely.
If Willem van Wijtvliet, ignoring his parentage for now, did marry Gerardsdr vT, and they had a son Simon, who got Wijtvliet, then he must have been a 2nd son, cause the oldest would have gotten the more prestigious vT. That would have been a Willem then. W#202?
If that Willem had a father Hugo, a mother Hadewich, and a brother Simon, then what about...
Hugo, Willem and Simon
JaL: Simon, the other son of Sicco, had a son Gerrit, banner-heer, was in Egmond klooster in 1143, already an old man. He had sons Hugo, third of Teijlingen, and Willem (0) van Teijlingen, ridder.
JaL gives H#143 a brother Willem. Wouldn't he have gotten vT from G#124 afther the death of his (probably older) brother? If it could not inherit sideways, to a brother, why could it then inherit sideways to a sister then as BdK suggests? But he has a Simon, Hugo, Willem triangle.
What if Willem Wijtvliet was W0? He has oldest son Willem, who was either W#149 or W#202, and 2nd son Simon who got Wijtvliet? And maybe Willem (0) wasn't a brother of Hugo, but a brother-in-law, cause he married the sister of Hugo, Gerardsdr?
Hans Toll NV04: "XIII. Simon, son of Hugo (IV). Would be a brother of W#149. That's a new one. He died on crusade before Coeverden in 8-1237."
Hugo might have had a son Simon, but if so, he should have died before Hugo by 1162, or he would have succeeded. If he had, vT would have died out then an there, just as in 1283 when DW died, then his son WDW 2 weeks later without leaving a son. But maybe his sister Gerardsdr, that got vT because Simon died early as did his father (maybe in battle?), named her 2nd son after him. The 1st was named after her husband, the new vT line.
It would explain a lot of naming.
G#124
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W0 x Gerardsdr H#143
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W#149? Simon vW Simon
If W#149 was a grandson of Hadewich by W0 Floris van Voorne, he would surely have named a daughter Hazetiaan after her, wouldn't he? Cause she was his connection to vH. Would have expected a son Floris too, he might have died young, but he would have a grandson Floris.
Family tree
We can't really fit it all in one tree it seems.
Son of Floris de Zwarte
Floris II
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FdZ G#124 vT
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W#149 x Gerarddr
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W#202
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Dirk Floris Simon, Hazetiaan
Son of Hadewich Florisdr
Floris II Hugo I van Voorne
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Hadewich x Hugo II van Voorne
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G#124 Willem van Wijtvliet
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Gerarddr x W#149 Simon van Wijtvliet
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W#202
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Dirk Floris, Simon, Hazetiaan
Recurring themes
- How many Willems? Was W#149 son of Willem van Wijtvliet? Or the same person, born vW, became vT throug marriage?
- After whom is Willem named (W#149), where did his name come from? Willem I vH was named after William the Lion, and would have been born 1165ish. W#149 was first attested in 1174 and was surely born before that, and there weren't any vT before him named Willem. There weren't any Willems in vV.
- Same for Willem van Wijtvliet b.t.w., as son of Hugo x Hadewich, either vV or not, and if neihter than still, what Willem?