A Younger Son of the Count of Holland
Later generations of house Van Teijlingen carried heraldery (used seals with Coat of Arms, or crest) that was derived of that of the Counts of Holland, but with the addition of a barensteel. That barensteel indicated they were a branch by 'a younger son'. But which one? How did they descent of Van Holland. [1]
Abbreviations
- vH van Holland
- vT van Teijlingen
- FdZ Floris de Zwarte
- JaL Johannes a Leydis
- Ben de Keijzer Ben de Keijzer, author of publications in Ons Voorgeslacht
- G#124 Gerard van Teijlingen, mentioned in OHZ #124
- H#143 Hugo van Teijlingen, mentioned in OHZ #143
- W#149 Willem I van Teijlingen, mentioned in OHZ #149
- W#202 Willem II van Teijlingen, mentioned in OHZ #202
Counts of Holland
Counts and their sons, not all of them became count.
- Arnulf van Gent (951-993) x Lutgardis van Luxemburg (960->1005)
Heraldry
Floris II married Ada of Scotland in 1162. Her uncle, William the Lion, carried the Rampant Lion (Lyon rampant, Klimmende leeuw), red on yellow. [2] [3] Floris must have adopted his wife's CoA, or maybe his son did. It does seem that the other noble houses followed suit, partly to show they were vasals of Van Holland, and they adopted it to represent their lineage to the other houses.
Other houses
Van Teijlingen
Same as Van Holland, but with a barensteel, indicating descend of a younger branch (not carrying the title). Hij zou afstammen van de graven van Holland. Gezien het Hollandse wapen met de barensteel is dat zeker aannemelijk. Op een gouden achtergrond staat een rode leeuw (gelijk aan het schild van de graven van Holland) met daarop een barensteel. Dit laatste betekent een jongere tak; bij bastaardij staat er namelijk een schuine balk op.
Van Brederode
Same as Van Teijlingen, stamvader Dirk was (younger? bastard?) brother of Willem II.
Van Heemskerk
Same as Van Holland, but silver (sabel) on blue (azuur).
Van Adrichem
Same as Van Teijlingen. (Bastaard) vermeld 1291 als broeder van Heer Dirc van Brederode (Hollandse Oorkonde nr 759) en vermeld (genoemd) in 1300 en 1305 als broeder en mombaer door Alverade van Brederode, ridder.
Van Doorthoge
Same as Van Teijlingen, Floris was a younger son of Dirk van Brederode.
Van der Duyn
Same as Van Teijlingen, Willem was a son of Jan van Doorthoge, descendant of Floris. See also de stamreeks on Ons Voorgeslacht.
Van Tol
Same as Van Teijlingen, but with added 9 blocks. De Nederlandsche Leeuw ...? Hans Toll?
Foyken
Same as Van Teijlingen, but with an added schuinstaak, indicating a bastard branch. Interessant is dat het zegel van Boudijn aan de akte bewaard is gebleven, en mee is gescand. Een vrij matige kwaliteit daardoor (en een onleesbaar randschrift), maar ik denk toch wel zeker een schuinstaak én een barensteel te herkennen, waarboven mogelijk een leeuwenkopje uitsteekt. Het wapen dat de afstammelingen van Foyken (van Teylingen) gebruikten dus. Foyken cum socijs, Hans Angevaare
Nagel
?
Van Voorne
Same as Van Holland, but colours inversed, gold on red.
Van Naaldwijk
Same as Van Holland, but red (scharlaken) on white.
Sigfird or Sicco
Johannes a Leydis (JaL) wrote the Sicconiden-legend, that Siefgried, the younger brother of Dirk III van Holland (thus explaining the CoA) sprote Van Brederode and Van Teijlingen, oldest son Dirk starting Van Bredereode, younger son Simon Van Teijlingen. About a century ago, it was concluded that Van Brederode wasn't recorded up until Dirk Drossaard, brother of Willem II van Teijlingen, so he must have been the first lord. JaL wrote his work likely trying to appease his master [whom? citation?]. The CoA would have descenden from Troy, and their descent would go al the way back to Adam and Eva. A genuine believe at the time (Generations of Noah).
Bastard son
What was the story, and the source... Willem van Teijlingen was bastard son of vH?
of the daughter the count
Was that about Dirk van Brederode, that he was born from a daughter of Willem I van Teijlingen who was impragnated, out of wedlock, by (a son of) the count vH?
of the count
That might be the same story as above.
Floris de Zwarte
Very little is known about him. I speculated before, and more, based on the deductions of Ben de Keijzer in 'Stamreeks van der Duyn', p2-3. Based on the location of the land held by vT, and the period that the privileges to develop that land, would have been granted, and leading family first named, he would be the most likely, if not only, candidate for the split of vT from vH. He suggest that Willem I might not have been a son of his predecessor Hugo, but that he married de vT erfdochter, likely a sister of Hugo (1162), daughter of Gerard (1143).
I. Willem van Theylingen (Wilhelmus de Theyling), vermeld 1174, 1 wellicht een zoon van Floris de Zwarte, tr. N.N., (verm.) dr. van Gerard van Theylingen (Gherardus de Theyling), de laatste vermeld 1143. 2
So Floris de Zwarte, maybe a second son, maybe a first but bastard son, had a sister, maybe a bastard half sister, Hadewich/Hedwig. So much seems sure.
[Kees's metions]
Hadewich Florisdr van Holland
When they were born, when they died, a lot less so. Maybe she became a nun (she was called a virgin in one document, and that could mean nun and then it should not be taken literally).
Maybe she did.
Maybe young, unmarried. Virgin. Maybe after she was impregnated by her (half) brother. Maybe only after she became a widow, and she withdrew in Rijnsburg (or what was it?).
Hazetiaan van Teijlingen.
Bouwsteen en Toetssteen, Henri Jean Joseph Vermeulen, 2020, p395-397 under II, Hazetiaan van Teijlingen x Floris II van de Woerd could/would have been the grandmother of Hazetiaan van de Woerd x Kerstand van Raaphorst. On p579/678 (pdf pages) she is presented as a daughter of Willem II van Teijlingen. A Hazetiaan van Raaphorst [?] was in turn named after her, and there was also a Hazetiaan in uten Broek [?].
Hugo and Hadewich
If she was then married of to Hugo van Voorne (the one most refer to as Hugo II), then likely not before that. Not sure what happened to the child then. The records clearly state Willem to be a son of Hugo. Doesn't really matter if Hugo only married the mother or fathered their son himself.
Then Willem 'grandson of Floris' van Voorne, when he came of age, got assigned Wijtvliet, it seems. Any he married the sister of another Hugo, van Teijlingen. Would both their fathers be named after the same grandfather?
Van Teijlingen origins
Then HvT died, without a son. Then Gerrit, still alive?, got dispensation from the count (never found in writing), to pass vT on to his only remaining daughter. And so vT got Willem, who was know as vT since then, and mention first as such in #149. After he died, H might have become a nun in Rijnsburg.
Van Wijtvliet
They had a son Simon, who got Wijtvliet, who would have been a 2nd son then, cause the oldest would have gotten the more prestigious vT. That would have been a Willem. W#202?
And what about...
Hugo, Willem and Simon
JaL: Simon, the other son of Sicco, had a son Gerrit, banner-heer, was in Egmond klooster in 1143, already an old man. He had sons Hugo, third of Teijlingen, and Willem (0) van Teijlingen, ridder.
Hans Toll NV04: "XIII. Simon, son of Hugo (IV). Would be a brother of W#149. That's a new one. He died on crusade before Coeverden in 8-1237."
What if Willem Wijtvliet was W0? He has oldest son Willem, who was W#149, and 2nd son Simon who got Wijtvliet? Willem (0) wasn't a brother of Hugo, but a brother-in-law.
Hugo might have had a son Simon, but if so, he should have died before 1162, or he would have succeeded. But his sister, that got vT because Simon died early, maybe in battle, named her 2nd son after him. The 1st was named after her husband, the new vT line.
It would also explain a lot of naming. If W#149 was a grandson of Hadewich by W0 Floris van Voorne, he would surely have named a daughter Hazetiaan after her, wouldn't he? Cause she was his connection to vH.
Family tree
We can't really fit it all in one tree it seems.
Son of Floris de Zwarte
Floris II
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FdZ G#124 vT
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W#149 x Gerarddr
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W#202
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Dirk Floris Simon, Hazetiaan
Son of Hadewich Florisdr
Floris II Hugo I van Voorne
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Hadewich x Hugo II van Voorne
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G#124 Willem van Wijtvliet
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Gerarddr x W#149 Simon van Wijtvliet
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W#202
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Dirk Floris, Simon, Hazetiaan
Recurring themes
- How many Willems? Was W#149 son of Willem van Wijtvliet?
- After whom is Willem named (W#149), where did his name come from? Willem I vH was named after William the Lion, and would have been born 1165ish. W#149 was first attested in 1174 and was surely born before that, and there weren't any vT before him named Willem.
- Same for Willem van Wijtvliet b.t.w.