De heren van Teijlingen

My greatgrandfather was a grandson of Jeanette van Tol, who in a long line Van Tol, descendent from Floris van Tol, son of Floris van Teijlingen, who built het Huis van Tol, giving his descendants their name. There are different stories about his lineage, and when questions rose, I decided to dive in a bit.

Sources

Primary source would be the transcriptions in Oorkonden van Holland en Zeeland, Oorkonden in short. Some might be fakes according to de Nederlandsche Leeuw. Main other source is te Nederlandse Leeuw article from 1926, NL26 in short. If reference several other studies/sources which I have not read, have noted some. Combined it with some data from Batavia Illustrata 1685, BI in short, an earlier study, without sources.

Possible other sources

Several were mentioned in NL26, I did not search, find or read any of those, just for reference/further study.

• 1322-1332 Wilelmus Procturator, in accordance with Oorkonden
• ca 1480 Dirk Pauli (Paulszoon), this might be some of his work.
• also Jan van Leiden (Joannes a Leydis), looks greatly complete, but not to be trusted

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• Bijdragen voor Vaderlandsche Geschiedenis en Oudheidskunde
• Bijdrage Hist. Gen. Utrecht
• Oud en Nieuw II
• author Craandijk
• author Mr. H. J. Koenen
• author D. J. M. Wüstenhoff

Oorkonden

In Oorkonden I searched for spelling variants: Teilinge, Teylinge, Teilingen, Teylingen, Teijlinge, Teijlingen, Teiling, Teyling, Teilinc, Teylinc, Theylingen, Theylinge, Theilingen, Theijlingen, Theijlinge, Thelingen, Thelinge, The-, Tei- Te- yielded also "te", too many.

No signification relation to time and spellingvariants was observed.

Results, standardized spelling, order by #, dates in d-m-yyyy

#    - date      name - role
#124 - 7-10-1143 Gerard
#143 - 1162 Hugo - witness
#149 - 3-10-1174 Willem - witness
#177 - 1198 Willem - witness
#182 - 21-8-1200 Willem - witness
#188 - 20-2-1201 Willem - witness
#202 - 1205 Willem and Dirk, brothers
#203 - 1205 Willem - witness
#208 - 21-5-1226 N.N. Thelingen and Dirk Dapifer - sign a treaty
#214 - 1207 Willem - witness
#229 - 13-1-1213 Willem - witness
#235 - 21-9-1213 Willem - witness
#237 - 23-12-1213 Dirk - witness
#247 - 28-8-1215 Willem - witness
#271 - 7-1220? Willem and Dirk
#281 - 6-1223 Willem - cosigns
#283 - 22-7-1223 Gerard - witness
#321 - 2-5-1230 Dirk - witness
#333 - 1231 Willem - witness
#361 - 8-1-1237 Willem "scilicet" [named, by the name of] van Theilingen.
#380 - 5-6-1241 Willem - witness
#382 - 1241 - Willem - witness, nobilis vir (noble man)
#564 - 18-6-1252 Dirk - witness, and aparently not a ridder/milites

Scenario's

Around 1200 Teylingen and the area around switched hands several times, the land being owned by church, than the lords, back and forth. It was the time where the graven van Holland established themselves, who centuries before that were just a side branch of the graven van Friesland according to Winsemius. So Teylingen might have switched hands several times. From at least 1198 Van Teylingen was very close to Van Holland. According to their coat of arms, seal, they were a younger branch (wapen of Van Holland with a barensteel, see John Ooms). Van Teylingen is usally among the first mentioned as a witness, right after the family. It is unclear how they got their lands, NL26 points out that is why in earlier times an earlier dynastie was invented, that could explain how they descended from Van Holland and/or how the got in possion of their lands.

That is why NL26 starts with N.N.: "we don't know". We don't. So it wise. BI does go before. Jan van Leiden was not (entirely) proven wrong by then.

Before Willem I

BI has Hugo before Gerard, and some of Van Leiden's list, that are at the least doubtfull. NL26 states #124, #143, #149 could be fakes. NL26 explains that some 19th century authors "invented/needed" a "dynasty of regents" to make Teylingen/Brederode descent from Van Holland. That would make them "lords of", but not family/ancestry.

I choose to go with Oorkonden, assuming there were no fakes, assuming Teylingen was a familiy thing from 1143 on. No proof. Just a hunch. If Gerard and Hugo were grandpa and pa of Willem... Gerard prepared the stage, Hugo helped Van Oranje to get in the saddle, Willem and Dirk got everything going for them when they enter the stage. Finish what dad started and take it home! Sounds glorious, and it was, wasn't it?

How many Willems?

If I try to put it al together, trying to "invent" as little people as possible (how many Willems in 1174-1241? Could have been, must have been there?)... ...it get about the same tree as the one in NL26. Talking about I, II and III gets confusing quickly. I need a different nomenclature to distinguish between Willems, lets use the numbers of the Oorkonden they first appeared in. So we start with W#149. He is N.N. in NL26.

The Willem (#149) of 1198, was most likely born before 1180, around 1170 even, possible even 1160, to become first noble mentioned in 1198? Stuff must have happened to get him where he was in 1198. Having established his position, he might have had two adult sons already who he brings into play. If that was the case, and those sons were around 20 in 1205, born in 1185, their father would have been born not later than 1165... then 1205 would be a good time to have them spread their wings. Father established position with Van Holland, and his sons soar from that. So I'd like to call W#202, the brother, son of W#149. It just happens that's what John Ooms writes too, Dirk was born around 1180, W#202 must have been the oldest son.

The Willem from #182 and #188 could be about either, I'd say W#143 was still the main man, and died or took the back seat somwhere between 1201 and 1205. He would have been in his 40's or 50's, not the youngest anymore.

From 1205-1220 they are several time explicitly named as brothers (#202, #208, #271). Why was that important enough to write down? Because they were from the same, well known, important father? I think 1205-1220 the sons take over center stage.

Of course all could have been the same Willem, W#149 and W#202 could have been the same person. But the Willem brother of Dirc died in 1244, would have been over 64 if born before 1180, over 75 is he ware a made man in 1198 that actually shaved. Old, especially for the time, but possible. That Willem that died in 1244 was son of Willem 1198 would fit better.

According to BI, there was another Willem in between. There might have been, not much is said about him. Ignoring the other sons of Hugo, W#149 would have been the one captured "in den Oorlog tegen den Grave van Loon" and would have been married to "Halewijne van Egmont". Could be the dynasty theory speaking. The "in between" Willem does not really fit anything, he'd only be the father of the brothers Willem and Dirc, but he is not needed for that, his father Willem could be that as well, we don't need another Willem. Sources would help.

Wives

A Willem marries to Agnes Willemsdr. van Lijnden some write, born in 1203 according to some (source?). John Ooms writes it was the year she died. If W#149 had sons W&D between 1170-1180 mothers death in 1203 would fit well. Her birth in 1203 would make her way too young for W#149. W#202, around 25 in 1205 in my story, would have married by that time, wanting to produce a male heir to succeed him. Marriage at 12, motherhood at 15 was normal at the time in those circles. Her marriage wouldn't have produced offspring untill around 1220, fitting what Pieter says.

That W#202 did not become a father until 1220 would not fit, it is likely that W#202 was married already in 1205, maybe even had young son Willem already, that would marry Agnes and make W#202 grandfather for the first time around 1220.

According to BI

• a Willem was married to Halewijne van Egmont, daughter of kwade Wouter van Egmont.
• a Willem was married to Geertruyd van Woerden, daughter of Herman.

That last Willem died in 1284, or 1283 according to other sources, and was possibly a son or a grandson of W#202. If the son was married to Agnes van Lijnden and did not marry twice, a grandson would be more likely. The wikipage about Kwade Wouter references Jan van Leiden, whom according to NL26 should not be trusted. There have been several Herman van Woerden, if the Willem that married her was the son of the Willem that got children around 1220, she could have been a daughter of Herman V.

By 1223 Gerard pops up, 1230 it is Dirk, possibly the brother, 1241 Willem one last time, probably W#202, who died in 1244 according NL26. That is because the book ends, there was another Willem, possibly two. To continue the story we need source after 1252.