De heren van Teijlingen

My greatgrandfather was a grandson of Jeanette van Tol, who in a long line Van Tol, descends from Floris van Tol, son of Floris van Teijlingen, who built het Huis van Tol, giving his descendants their name. There are different stories about his lineage, and when questions rose, I decided to dive in a bit.

Sources

Primary source would be the transcriptions in Oorkonden van Holland en Zeeland, Oorkonden in short. Some might be fakes according to de Nederlandsche Leeuw. Main other source is te Nederlandse Leeuw article from 1926, NL26 in short. If reference several other studies/sources which I have not read, have noted some. Combined it with some data from Batavia Illustrata 1685, BI in short, an earlier study, without sources.

Possible other sources

Several were mentioned in NL26, I did not search, find or read any of those, just for reference/further study.

• 1322-1332 Wilelmus Procturator, in accordance with Oorkonden
• ca 1480 Dirk Pauli (Paulszoon), this might be some of his work, he described the Sicco-myth.
• also Jan van Leiden (Joannes a Leydis), he invented a great looking stamreeks, but is not to be trusted (lightly), he also found how they descended through Pharamund from Priam of Troy and in the end of Adam and Eve. Reminds me of Snorri Sturluson, who told us how all Vikings descended of Odin, son of Thor, who was actually Troianus and a descendant of Priam. Medieval historians. Anyway.

• Bijdragen voor Vaderlandsche Geschiedenis en Oudheidskunde
• Bijdrage Hist. Gen. Utrecht
• Oud en Nieuw II
• T.a.p.(?), partly reprinted as Verspr(eide?). Geschr(iften?) -> Robert Fruin 1903
• author Craandijk
• author Mr. H. J. Koenen
• author D. J. M. Wüstenhoff

Wikipedia names sources

• Moerman, I.W.L. De ruïne van Teylingen, Deel XXVI uit de serie Nederlandse Kastelen, Nederlandse Kastelenstichting, ANWB, 1976
• Hartog, E. den & H. Koopmanschap Teylingen Bezoekergids, Kastelenstichting Holland en Zeeland, 2004
• Robert Fruin (1903), Verspreide geschriften. Deel 8. Kritische studiën over geschiedbronnen. Deel 2. Historische schetsen en boekbeoordeelingen. Deel 1 - De jongere tak der Van Teylingens (1898).
• Coenen, J.M.A. (1996). Graaf en grafelijkheid: een onderzoek naar de graven van Holland en hun omgeving in de dertiende eeuw, proefschrift Utrecht, p. 74-76.
• Fannee, M. (2014). tlant te Waremunde, een studie over Warmond in de middeleeuwen (1100-1400), Lisse: Druno en Dekker Drukkers, p. 51 e.v., p. 83 e.v.
• Janse, A. (2009). Ridderschap in Holland, portret van een adellijke elite in de late Middeleeuwen, Adelsgeschiedenis 1, tweede herziene druk, Uitgeverij Verloren, p. 400.

Oorkondenboek van Holland en Zeeland

In Oorkonden I searched for spelling variants: Teilinge, Teylinge, Teilingen, Teylingen, Teijlinge, Teijlingen, Teiling, Teyling, Teilinc, Teylinc, Theylingen, Theylinge, Theilingen, Theijlingen, Theijlinge, Thelingen, Thelinge, The-, Tei- Te- yielded also "te", too many.

No signification relation to time and spellingvariants was observed.

Results, standardized spelling, order by #, dates in d-m-yyyy

#    - date      name - role
#124 - 7-10-1143 Gerard
#143 - 1162 Hugo - witness
#149 - 3-10-1174 Willem - witness
#177 - 1198 Willem - witness
#182 - 21-8-1200 Willem - witness
#188 - 20-2-1201 Willem - witness
#202 - 1205 Willem and Dirk, brothers
#203 - 1205 Willem - witness
#208 - 21-5-1226 N.N. Thelingen and Dirk Dapifer - sign a treaty
#214 - 1207 Willem - witness
#227 - 1212-1214 Willemn - witness
#229 - 13-1-1213 Willem - witness
#235 - 21-9-1213 Willem - witness
#237 - 23-12-1213 Dirk - witness
#247 - 28-8-1215 Willem - witness
#271 - 7-1220? Willem and Dirk
#281 - 6-1223 Willem - cosigns
#283 - 22-7-1223 Gerard - witness
#321 - 2-5-1230 Dirk - witness
#333 - 1231 Willem - witness
#361 - 8-1-1237 Willem "scilicet" (named, by the name of) van Theilingen.
#380 - 5-6-1241 Willem - witness
#382 - 1241 - Willem - witness, nobilis vir (noble man)
#564 - 18-6-1252 Dirk - witness, and aparently not a ridder/milites

More Oorkonden (van den Bergh, De Fremery 1866)

There is more where that came from: Oorkondenboek van Holland en Zeeland, Volume 1-2, 1866, Laurent Philippe Charles van den Bergh, James De Fremery

Numbers seem the same in the beginning but seem to differ in the end, did not compare and I will use alt#143 to refer to this list:

• 1162-08-28 v.d. Bergh I no 143, graaf Floris III geeft aan Egmond de kerk te Vlaardingen terug, onder de laici: Hugo de Teylingen
• 1174-10-03 v.d. Bergh I no 149, getuige voor graaf Floris II: o.a. Wilehums de Theylingen
• 1198 v.d. Bergh I no 177, graaf Dirk VII schenkt land te Poeldijk aan zijn kapel in de St Mariakerk te Utrecht, acta sunt hec apud Lis[se], onder de getuigen: Wilhelmus de Teillinga, Arnoldus dapifer meus, Henricus, frater ejus
• 1200-08-21 v.d. Bergh I no 182, 188, graaf Dirk VII en zijn vrouw Alyd bevestigen een schenking aan de abdij Rijnsburg van land te Schie, Rijswijk, 's Gravesande en Warmond, door gravin Sophia gedaan; onder de getuigen: Wilhelmus de Teylinge;1201-02-20: zij bevestigen schenking aan het klooster door zijn vader Floris III gedaan, onder de getuigen: Willem de Teiling
• 1200-11-03 v.d. Bergh I no 183, verdrag tussen Brabant en Holland, onder de getuigen homines comitis: Wilhelmus de Thelinghe
• 1205 v.d. Bergh I no 202,, Ada, markgravin van Brandenburg (zuster van Dirk VII) verkoopt aan de kerk te Rijnsburg twee hoeven in Poel, onder de getuigen: Wilhelmus de Teilinge en zijn broer Theodricus (van Brederode)
• 1207 v.d. Bergh I no 214, gravin Aleid schrijft over het huwelijk van haar dochter met de graaf van Loon, gesloten in tegenwoordigheid van o.a. Wilhelmus de Teylingen
• 1212-1214 v.d. Bergh I, verklaring van graaf Willem over de dijk tussen Bergen en Schoorl, die tijdens het leven van zijn vader gemaakt is; 1e getuige: Wilhelmus de Theilinke (no 227);
• 1213-01-13: getuige voor keizer Otto IV te Nijmegen: o.a. Wilhelmus de Thelinge (no 229);
• 1213-09-21: Willelmus de Theylingen (no 235);
• 1213-12-23: onder de getuigen Theodericus de Theilingen [van Brederode] (no 237);
• 1215-08-28: 1e en 2e getuige Wilhelmus de Teylinge, Theidricus dapifer (van Brederode) (no 247)
• 1215 Oppermann: Fontes Egmundenses p 245, Lubbert, abt van Egmond, schenkt aan Dirk, physicus de Aelsmeer en zijn vrouw Ermengardi, 2 hoed tarwe en twee hoed gerst uit zijn tienden in Sassenheim in leen, en nog land in Alesmare, bestemd tot lijftocht voor Ermegarde, uit te reiken in Sasnem in mensura ejusdem ville, per dominum Wilhelmum de Theylingh
• 1217 v.d. Bergh II Nal no12; Bijdr Hist Gen Utrecht 1913 dl 34 p 487; v.d. Bergh I no 270, 277
• getuige voor graaf Willem I, o.a. Willem van Theyling en Dirc, dapifer (van Brederode ?);
• 1220-02: getuige voor graaf Willem te Antwerpen: Willelmus de Teiling;
• 1220-07: Willelmus en Theodericus [van Brederode] de Thelinghe;
• 1222-10: Wilhelmus de Teylinghen en zijn broer Theodericus (van Brederode)
• 1223-06 v.d. Bergh I no 281, 283, 287, 294, 298, 305, Maria, weduwe van graaf Willem schenkt 50 £ Holl aan de abdij Rijnsburg, onder de getuigen Wilhelmus de Thelingen;
• 1223-07-22: getuige voor graaf Floris IV, Gerardus de Theilingen;
• 1224-12-06: getuige is o.a. Theodericus de Theylinghe (van Brederode);
• 1226-01-26: beweringen van de graaf onder ede bevestigd door o.a. Wilhelmus de Teylingen;
• 1226-05-21: verdrag over Zeeland, onder de getuigen Wilhelmus de Theilinghe en zijn broer Theodericus dapifer (van Brederode);
• 1227-04-16: getuige o.a. W. de Thelinghen
• 1230-01-14 (1231) v.d. Bergh I no 325, Arnoldus, abt van Egmond, ontslaat enige keurmedigen, onder de getuigen: Wilhelmus de Teylingen en zijn broer Theodericus
• 1228-11-11 v.d. Bergh II Nal no 14; v.d. Bergh I no 321, 328, 333, Wilhelmus de Teilinc getuige voor de bisschop van Utrecht;
• 1230-05-02: Theodericus de Teyling getuige voor graaf Floris IV;
• 1231-03-30: Th de Teylingen;
• 1231: Willelmus de Teiling
• 1233-03-01: De Fremery no 70, Ghisekinus uter Liere verkoopt land in de Liere aan de abdij Marienweerd, onder de getuigen Wilhelmus de Teylinc
• 1233-04-20: v.d. Bergh I en II, getuige voor graaf Floris IV o.a. dominus Willelmus de Teylinghen (no 344);
• 1235-04-01: Raad W de Teylinghe, Theodoricus de Wassenaer, Jacobus burggraaf van Leiden (no 353);
• 1237-01-08: schenking aan de abdij Rijnsburg, zegel o.a. van Wilhelmus de Theylingen (no 361);
• 1241-06-05: Wilhelmus de Teilingen (no 380);
• 1241: getuige voor Nicolaas van Putten is Wilhelmus de Teylingen (no 382);
• 1243-08-17: getuige voor graaf Willem o.a. Wilhemus de Thelinga (no 397);
• 1245-11-23: stadsrecht aan Haarlem, onder de getuigen Theodericus de Teilig (no 413);
• 1247-05-28: getuige voor bisschop Otto o.a. Wilhelmus de Teylinghe (no 437);
• 1251-02-03: getuigen voor graaf Willem: Theodericus de Brederode en Theodericus de Theylinghe (no 537);
• 1252-06-18: Theodoricus de Teylingen (no 564);
• 1256-10-15: idem (II no 13)
• 1257-06-06 v.d. Bergh II no 26, Lubbert, abt van Egmond, geeft zijn monniken enige renten, sigillis virorum nobilium: o.a. Theodericus heer van Theylinghe
• 1258-09-21 v.d. Bergh II no 47, ruil van goederen tussen de abdis van Rijnsburg en Willem van Steenhusen van 10 corenvennen en 5½ akker geestland gelegen tussen Poelgeest en Oestgeest tegen tienden van Wilhelmus in Rijnsburch, die hij van heer Dirk van Teylinge in leen hield; hij wordt weer met de genoemde goederen beleend

Missed quite a few

Assuming that everything from 1205 to 1244 I missed and is about Willem or Dirk/Theoderic would just be W#202 or his brother. No need for additional people. Some notes.

• 1235 is interesting for my own familyhistory.
• 1245 would be the same as D#564, the son of W#202, same goes for every Dirk up to 1283.
• 1247 (alt#437) cannot be W#202, because he died 1244. W#202 had a son Willem, that did not succeed him.
• 1251 (alt#537), Dirk van Brederode would be Dirk Drossaert, Dirk van Teylingen would be son of W#202.

Still, there should be more source material from 1251 to at least 1284, with rapid successions.

Even more Oorkonden, van den Bergh/De Fremery, 1873 edition

Even more source material, the 1873 edition, I'll refer as frem#5.

Teylingen, van | 1283 De Fremery Nal no 3; Bijdr Hist Gen jg 1901 p 264, 265/Reg EL 5 fol 88v, 89 lijst van lenen van Teylingen:

• no 5) Didderic heer Symonsz de tiende van Rijswikerbroec, zoals zijn vader hield;
• no 9) Wilhelmus filius Theoderici tertiam partem decimae te Hemestede ex parte domini de Thelinghe;
• no 42) Florentius frater domini [Wilhelmi] de Telynghe 40 sc de precaria hyemali apud Voerhout;
• no 45) Janne zoon van de heer van Teylingen, hield van hem in leen (nu van de graaf): - ½ tiende van Warmond, behalve des papendele, - 27 (72 ?) £ per jaar uit de visserij van Warmond, - de tiende van Coudekerke, die de vrouwe van Thelinghe kocht van Ever van Lisse, - 5 hoet rogge uit de tiende van Hadewartswoude, - het land te Boschuysen, waar de steenoven op staat, 12£ per jaar [in de Boschuizerpolder onder Zoeterwoude], - de tijns te Warmond

According to NL26, in 1283 Dirk, son of W#202 dies, and his son Willem who succeeds, dies weeks after.

Need to do some drawing first: Birth* and death+ are wild guesses, # are first "vermelding", reference.

       Willem (#149) *1150-+1205
                    |
        Willem (#202) *1175-+1244
      /         /       \         \
Dirk (#562)   Symon     Florens   Willem
*1200-1282   *?-+c1280             *?-+1284
    |              \
Willem (-+1283)     \
                   Dirc
                (*?-+>1305)
                    |
                  Willem

According to NL26 (III B) Symon's son Dirc (III B 1) posseses Teylingen. Had to read several times, but the children of Symon (II 2), son of W#202, are III B 1-4, Dirc, Symon, Willem and Ada

• frem#5 is about our Dirc at the bottom.
• frem#9 tells us that Dirc had a son Willem in 1283.
• frem#42 if also 1283, dominus Willem can only be the son of Dirk that only ruled a few weeks. He did have a brother Florentius (II 3 in NL26).
• frem#45 Jan would be (III A 2) in NL26, brother of the Willem that only ruled a few weeks.

Groesbeek collectie

J.W. Groesbeek created a cardsystem from the notes he took when studying documents. He used the same source material, but his notes are valuable as well.

• 18-9-993, Arnulfus comes peremptus est in bello, sepultus in Egmundensi monasterio; anderen genoemd: zijn vrouw Lutgardis, filia regis Grecorum, Hugo Arnulfi, en Lutgairda dochter van Theodericus et Syfridus Sicco, zijn vrouw Thetburga
• 1030<, Sifridus, cognomento Sicco, frater comitis Theoderici IV, dedit sancto Adalberto pro anime sue remedio terram super Gheest, nominatam Northorpe, Smithe, Adgeringelant, Hildebrandislant, Siccurdingeland, 5 fiertelen Lantlosamade, in Ekerslato 12 libras, in Banez [onder Assendelft] 2 libras; door graaf Dirk V op 1083-07-26 bevestigd. Goederenlijst abdij Egmond 1083-1105~: de Gheest in Northorpe 8£ 2 sol; Smithen 17£; Gestichin 10 uncias; Athelhilt 10 uncias; Brocchingelant 7 uncias; Adgeringelant 2£; Magchanchelant 8 uncias; Tiegerdesmade 3 uncias; in Quinque fiertelen 2£ 6 uncias; in Lantlosmade 3£ 6 uncias
• 5-6-1030, Sifridus Sicco preses, filius Arnulfi et Lutgarde comitisse stierf 5 juni is in het Egmondse klooster begraven, met conjuge Thetburga
• 7-10-1143, wijding van de kerk te Egmond, aanwezig viris clarissimis o.a. Gerhardus de Teilinc
• 28-8-1162, getuige voor graaf Floris II: o.a. Wilehums de Theylingen
• 1167 annales Egmundenses: slag bij Schoorl, ex his nobiles et probi milites corruerunt: o.a. Gerardis dapifer [van Teylingen ?]
• 3-10-1174
• 1198, graaf Dirk VII schenkt land te Poeldijk aan zijn kapel in de St Mariakerk te Utrecht, acta sunt hec apud Lis[se], onder de getuigen: Wilhelmus de Teillinga, Arnoldus dapifer meus, Henricus, frater ejus

A blank of 113 years between 1030 and 1143. 1167 Gerard dapifer, that is after Hugo 1162. BI had a Gerard and a Gerrit, could be two different people.

There is a lot more, also after 1252. Symon is mentioned in 1269. Dirk died before 18-11-1281.

Sicco legend

Dirk Paulszoon wrote about the Sicco-leggend. Johannes a Leydis might have expanded on it. These transcripts, altough they maybe forgeries, confirm more Teijlingers:

Syfridus Sicco x Thetburga lived in 993 and must have been adults. The Sifridus also called Sicco of 1030 is likely the same person, an old man by then (at least 55 if at least 18 in 993), he died june 5 of that year. He is brother of count Theoderic IV.

1. 124 and #143 follow.

That could be Dirk IV, graaf van Egmond, altough he only became count in 1039. It is said his father was on pilgrimage that year, it possible his son took care of thing during his absense. His parents were Arnulf x Lutgarde, also mentioned in 993.

That doesn't work though. The only way for Sifridus to be son of Arnulf, brother to Dirk IV, son of Dirk III, would be if Lutgarde married both fathers.

Dirk III though, was son of Arnulf van Gent en Lutgardis van Luxemburg. Dirk III was count in 1030. And he had a son Siegfried van Holland (985 - 1030), die huwde met Thetburga (985 -). Bingo. Someone missed a Dirk then somewhere, because in 1030 they counted 4.

If Willem I descended of this Siegried that would also explain the coat of arms, the same as the graven van Holland, but with a barensteel (John Ooms), indicating a younger branch. At the time of Willem I the house of Holland descents from the older brother Dirk III. More on then Sicconiden-legend with Thetburga. According to that legend, Siegfried and Thetburga had sons Dirk and Simon, Dirk being Dirk Drossaert, and Simon would be first lord of Teylingen. But that was disproved because Dirk Drossaert is first mentioned in 1205 (#202 together with Willem van Teijlingen). Just because it is a different Dirk? No, he was not the father of Dirk Drossaert.

If Siegfried was born in 985 (only 8 when he was first mentioned), his children yould be born... around 1005, succeeding their father in 1030. Could be Gerard #124, lord of Teylingen in 1043. Maybe also Dirk and Simon. Gerard begat Hugo, who begat Willem, who begat Dirk (Drossaert) and Willem, the latter begat Dirk, Willem, Simon, and Floris, to emphasis his Van Holland descent. On GO Dietz, without naming sources, makes him have a son Simon, Gerard, and Gerrit, apparently following BI.

Johannes a Leydis

Let's look at his work again (as mentioned in NL26). Syfridus x Terburga that died in 1030. We found that. Son Dirk, who was not Dirk Drossaard. A Leydis did not say that, he has Drossaard in the list as well, in the proper time. The earlier Dirk was called lord of Brederode. Couldn't he have been? Haven't seen a Willem mentioned before 1103, nor a record of his death in that year. Haven't seen a Dirk mentioned before 1139, nor a record of his death in that year. Haven't seen a Willem mentioned before 1154, nor a record of his death in that year. Three generations in 51 years? Possible, but pushing it. Might be brothers that succeeded. Floris that died in 1198. W#202 had a son Floris, but he was likely not yeat born in 1198, let become a lord and died. Seen no record of him. The Willem that died in 1221 could have been W#143, haven't seen records of his death, but he was brother not father of Dirk Drossaet. That follows. Mweh.

Europäische Stammtafeln

On Stammtafelnap-middeleeuwen.nl/genealogie/getperson.php?personID=I10124&tree=DGidME_01 Graafschap Middeleeuwen I found Margaretha, daughter of Willem van Teylingen en Geertrud, married Giselbert uten Goye. She died 1333. That would be the Willem, son of Dirk, son of W#202. It gives as source "ES-VIII_1980, D. Schwennicke", and those are the Europäische Stammtafeln. No results in Klosterman. The are not free to read, but I found some clips.

• 28: Zwischen Maas und Rhein, 4, 5 matches, one about Uten Goye, one about Duvenvoorde.
• Die deutschen Staaten, 1 match about the Earl of Grantham
• Zwischen Maas und Rhein, 3 matches, 1 the index, the others about Borssele, likely Katharina then, and the other about Burggraven (Viscount) of something
• 28: Zwischen Maas und Rhein, 4, 5 matches, mentions Wassenaer.

Sometime some text can be made out from the search results, but hard to put it in context: "N van Teylingen Maria uten GOYE", " Eleonora v Teylingen", "Bergerota v Teylingen" That volume 28 might be very interesting is confirmed by the index.

Scenario's

Around 1200 Teylingen and the area around switched hands several times, the land being owned by church, than the lords, back and forth. It was the time where the graven van Holland established themselves, who centuries before that were just a side branch of the graven van Friesland according to Winsemius. So Teylingen might have switched hands several times. From at least 1198 Van Teylingen was very close to Van Holland. According to their coat of arms, seal, they were a younger branch (wapen of Van Holland with a barensteel, see John Ooms). Van Teylingen is usally among the first mentioned as a witness, right after the family. It is unclear how they got their lands, NL26 points out that is why in earlier times an earlier dynastie was invented, that could explain how they descended from Van Holland and/or how the got in possion of their lands.

That is why NL26 starts with N.N.: "we don't know". We don't. So it wise. BI does go before. Jan van Leiden was not (entirely) proven wrong by then.

Before Willem I

BI has Hugo before Gerard, and some of Van Leiden's list, that are at the least doubtfull. NL26 states #124, #143, #149 could be fakes. NL26 explains that some 19th century authors "invented/needed" a "dynasty of regents" to make Teylingen/Brederode descent from Van Holland. That would make them "lords of", but not family/ancestry.

I choose to go with Oorkonden, assuming there were no fakes, assuming Teylingen was a familiy thing from 1143 on. No proof. Just a hunch. If Gerard and Hugo were grandpa and pa of Willem... Gerard prepared the stage, Hugo helped Van Holland to get in the saddle, Willem and Dirk got everything going for them when they enter the stage. Finish what dad started and take it home! Sounds glorious, and it was, wasn't it?

How many Willems?

If I try to put it al together, trying to "invent" as little people as possible (how many Willems in 1174-1241? Could have been, must have been there?)... ...it get about the same tree as the one in NL26. Talking about I, II and III gets confusing quickly. I need a different nomenclature to distinguish between Willems, lets use the numbers of the Oorkonden they first appeared in. So we start with W#149. He is N.N. in NL26.

The Willem (#149) of 1198, was most likely born before 1180, around 1170 even, possible even 1160, to become first noble mentioned in 1198? Stuff must have happened to get him where he was in 1198. Having established his position, he might have had two adult sons already who he brings into play. If that was the case, and those sons were around 20 in 1205, born in 1185, their father would have been born not later than 1165... then 1205 would be a good time to have them spread their wings. Father established position with Van Holland, and his sons soar from that. So I'd like to call W#202, the brother, son of W#149. It just happens that's what John Ooms writes too, Dirk was born around 1180, W#202 must have been the oldest son.

The Willem from #182 and #188 could be about either, I'd say W#149 was still the main man, and died or took the back seat somwhere between 1201 and 1205. He would have been in his 40's or 50's, not the youngest anymore.

From 1205-1220 they are several time explicitly named as brothers (#202, #208, #271). Why was that important enough to write down? Because they were from the same, well known, important father? I think 1205-1220 the sons take over center stage.

NL26 attributes to Willem Procurator "„dat de eerste, die te Brederode heer was, een broeder van den heer van Teylingen, Dirk Drossaet heette; zijn echtgenoote was vrouw Alveradis, een dochter van den heer van Heusden.". That is our Dirk #202 #271 and his wife, nothing about his brother or father though.

Of course all could have been the same Willem, W#149 and W#202 could have been the same person. But the Willem brother of Dirc died in 1244, would have been over 64 if born before 1180, over 75 is he ware a made man in 1198 that actually shaved. Old, especially for the time, but possible. That Willem that died in 1244 was son of Willem 1198 would fit better.

According to BI, there was another Willem in between. There might have been, not much is said about him. Ignoring the other sons of Hugo, W#149 would have been the one captured "in den Oorlog tegen den Grave van Loon" and would have been married to "Halewijne van Egmont". Could be the dynasty theory speaking. The "in between" Willem does not really fit anything, he'd only be the father of the brothers Willem and Dirc, but he is not needed for that, his father Willem could be that as well, we don't need another Willem. Sources would help.

Post Willem

The death of Willem (W#202) 5-3-1244, according to NL26 "25) Zie de 16e eeuwsche kroniekschrijvers Theodericus Paul i (Bijdr . Vad. Gesch . 4e reeks , VIII, bl . 379) en Joannes a Leydis (bij Matthaeus , Analecta , 2e uitg. I , bl . 616). Hij wordt niet vermeld in het Necr. Egm.;" Wife unknown, sons Dirc, who succeeds him, Symon, Florens en Willem. That would have been the Dirk #564.

Then, according to NL26: (II) Dirc first mentioned 1251 (#562 is 1252, might have missed one), ridder, died 19-11-1282. (III A 1) son Willem (grandson of W#202) succeeds but dies 1-1-1283 x Oda van Wassenaer (frem#9, frem#42), no offspring. Easily to confuse him with his nephew. Unclear who succeeded him, his other son Jan (frem#45) would be logical. Jan lived in 1292, knape, esquier. (III B) Symon's son Dirc (III B 1, frem#5) posseses Teylingen. That would be Simon, brother of Dirc (also grandson of W#202). Jan had no offspring and died 1304, unclear whether he succeeded. Dirc is alive in 1303. If also lord, than also miles. Jan was miles though, and might have succeeded his brother. Symon, maybe not the same, is alive in 1304. He is probably Symon Willemsz, and still alive in 1320. He has an son Dirk in 1327 A Willem "de Gouwe" Willemsz van Teylingen in 1306.

To many footnotes to mention, many sources have been noted already. It continues in a different issue of NL (search).

By 1223 Gerard pops up, 1230 it is Dirk, possibly the brother, 1241 Willem one last time, probably W#202, who died in 1244 according NL26. That is because the book ends, there were other Willems.

Spouses

Margaretha van der Lippe

On GO Chrstina van Brederode is daughter of a Willem van Teylingen and Margaretha van der Lippe. No sources. Born around 1180 she would be sister to brothers Willem and Dirk, so daughter of W#143.

According to the same author, again no sources, her daughter Agnes van Lynden, who follows, would mary W#202 (who was not born, but mentioned the first time in 1198). So W#202 marries his (maybe half)sisters daughter...

She is in the tree of Johannes a Leydis, married to a Willem that died in 1221, most likely W#143.

Agnes van Lynden

A Willem marries to Agnes Willemsdr. van Lijnden some write, born in 1203 according to some (source?). John Ooms writes about an Agnes, second wive after a marriage to the erfdochter van Gerard of W#143, but she is Van Bentheim and 1203 was the year she died.

If W#149 had sons W&D between 1170-1180 mothers death in 1203 would fit well. Her birth in 1203 would make her way too young for W#149. W#202, around 25 in 1205 in my story, would have married by that time, wanting to produce a male heir to succeed him.

Because she would have been the daughter of W#202's sister, she must be (a lot) younger than W#202. About 28 years in my book. Marriage at 12, in 1215, and motherhood at 15 was normal at the time in those circles would have been 1218. Her marriage wouldn't have produced offspring untill around 1220, fitting what Pieter says.

That W#202 did not become a father until 1220 would not fit, it is likely that W#202 was married already in 1205, maybe even had young son Willem already, that would marry Agnes and make W#202 grandfather for the first time around 1220. It is therefor likely Agnes was a second or third marriage, she was not the mother . According to the GO author, Dirk, Simon and Hadewich where hers, born in 1225, 1228 and 1230. But Dirk succeeded him, so he was probably the oldest surviving son at the time. Florens and Willem would not have been sons of an earlier marriage then. According to GO Agnes outlived W#202, making it unlikely there would have been a later spouse.

Gilles Schotel, Abdij van Rijnsburg, 1866 mentions an Agnes van Lijnden, wife of Willem van Teylingen, becoming a nun and 25-11-1211. I assume W#143 died around the time sons W#202 and Dirk Drossaard appeared. His widow could have entered the convent after that, and could have died in 1211. That can't have been a 8yo widow, so she is either a different person, or was not born in 1203, but that contradict the GO statement.

Halewijne van Egmont

According to BI a Willem was married to Halewijne van Egmont, daughter of kwade Wouter van Egmont.

Halewijne van Egmont was married to Arend van Egmond (2d), son of W#149, brother of W#202.

Geertruid van Woerden

According to BI a Willem was married to Geertruyd van Woerden, daughter of Herman. She is likely the same as the Gheertrudis from NL26.

The Willem that married Geertruyd must be the one that died in 1283, and was possibly a son or a grandson of W#202. If the son was married to Agnes van Lijnden and did not marry twice, the grandson would be more likely, and in accordance with NL26. The wikipage about Kwade Wouter references Jan van Leiden, whom according to NL26 should not be trusted. There have been several Herman van Woerden, if the Willem that married her was the son of the Willem that got children around 1220, she could have been a daughter of Herman V.

She is mentioned by Thomas Salmon in Hedendaagsche historie ... der Vereenigde Nederlanden, 1749. He seems to have written numerous books about numerous countries. This is what his story tells:

   Herman (V?) van Woerden
          \
      Geertruid van Woerden x Willem van Teilingen
                               |
            Katharina van Teilingen x Aalbert van Voorne
               x Floris V (van Holland?)               \
      /        x Willem van Brederode               Gerard van Voorne
Dirk        x Wolfaart van Borsselen

On Groesbeek I found Katharina van Teijlingen running Voorne around 1327 (source?).

Wikipedia confirms a "possible Dirk" This Albrecht, son of Hendrik, only a marriage to Aleyd van Loon

Salmon also calls her Van Durbuy, and she was Vrouwe van Teilingen, but not daughter of Willem x Geertruid. Her husband links to the first Albrecht, where she is not mentioned.

She must have been his second wive. The Huygens Institute mentions "Na de dood van Albert van Voorne schonk Floris V (1254-1296) aan Catharina de heerlijkheid Teylingen, onder de voorwaarde dat zij deze zou teruggeven indien zij opnieuw trouwde."

So Teylingen a heerlijkheid (an independant lordship), and a gift from Floris. Probably somewhere after Dirk Symonsz the lordship had fallen to the count. But not a daughter of Willem then.

No mention of the marriage with this Willem, no mention of the marriage with this Willem.

Wolfaart married her in 1297. Lover of Floris V. His daughter Heilwig married Katherine's son Gerard van Voorne.

Wikipedia contradicts Geertruid being her mother, that does not rule out Geertruid was married to a Willem.

Floris van Teijlingen van Tol

BI tells us that Floris van Teijlingen was son of Hugo, younger brother to W#143. It mentions Gouthoven called him Hugo by mistake. Floris married N.N. van Poelgeest, and was the first lord/owner of Huis van Tol. He lived around 1250. If W#143 was born around 1155 he must have been very old, even he were a lot younger than his brother. With his wife he had Floris I van Tol x Marclia van Rhyn, who begat Gerrit Ramp van Tol and Floris II van Tol x Odilia van Lewen, who begat Floris III van Tol. Ons Voorgeslacht 1989 mentions in Oudshoorn "308. Het goed in het ambacht Oudshoorn, (1405: zijnde 91/2 morgen met tiende, waarvan oude Floris van Tol met nr. 309 de andere helft houdt)."

According to NL26 W#202 had a son Florens little was known about. He might be born between 1200-1220.

frem#42 refers to Florentius brother of lord Willem, that in 1283 would have been the son of Dirc, grandson of W#202.

Johannes A Leydis mentions a Floris that died 1198, haven't seen him mentioned anywhere else.

Foycken

Florens, brother of W#202 found House van Tol. Seems to fit, his brother became lord Van Teijlingen. He also might have had a bastard son Foyke, mentiond 1281-1284. There, Huge die Sluter van Telinghen is suggested to be the first Van Tol. Florens Foykinsz (van Teylingen) is alive in 1316. Foykin had brothers Willem en Gherid in 1316.